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		<title>by: Christian Eaton</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1905</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>First and foremost I would recommend letting people opt for which type they want. These days I would say that HTML can be the default, but let the user choose.

People have made all the standard points about the pros and cons of each, and I won't repeat them. The lack of uniformity between eMail clients (so much worse than differences across web browsers) does make this a tough area.

However, one &quot;pro&quot; for HTML that no one has mentioned yet is the &quot;M&quot; aspect: markup. You can define the relationship of elements on the page in a semantic way, specifying headings etc. For short messages this isn't usually important, but for a larger eMail this can really help people to understand the structure of the content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First and foremost I would recommend letting people opt for which type they want. These days I would say that HTML can be the default, but let the user choose.</p>
<p>People have made all the standard points about the pros and cons of each, and I won&#8217;t repeat them. The lack of uniformity between eMail clients (so much worse than differences across web browsers) does make this a tough area.</p>
<p>However, one &#8220;pro&#8221; for HTML that no one has mentioned yet is the &#8220;M&#8221; aspect: markup. You can define the relationship of elements on the page in a semantic way, specifying headings etc. For short messages this isn&#8217;t usually important, but for a larger eMail this can really help people to understand the structure of the content.
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		<title>by: Adam Kemeny</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1767</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree heartily with David Stone. I'm no power email user who frowns on HTML mails as they waste valuable time in my hectic work schedule but I've disabled HTML in Entourage because I often just don't like the way that people and businesses personalise their own messages and have got that spam paranoia going on too.

It's slightly odd to me that a business that specialises in the professional enhancement of this method of communication would blanket assume that people embrace HTML mails. Why not adopt a similar attitude as Campaign Monitor and sniff out the clients Mail app to see whether they've got HTML activated (or whatever magic it is that they do) so that a plain text mail is delivered if it's disabled.

I'd think more of your service and brand if I wasn't sent HTML messages with the guts showing...

ps. Campaign Monitor doesn't actually do the sniffing successfully for Entourage but I know that that at least they are trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree heartily with David Stone. I&#8217;m no power email user who frowns on HTML mails as they waste valuable time in my hectic work schedule but I&#8217;ve disabled HTML in Entourage because I often just don&#8217;t like the way that people and businesses personalise their own messages and have got that spam paranoia going on too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s slightly odd to me that a business that specialises in the professional enhancement of this method of communication would blanket assume that people embrace HTML mails. Why not adopt a similar attitude as Campaign Monitor and sniff out the clients Mail app to see whether they&#8217;ve got HTML activated (or whatever magic it is that they do) so that a plain text mail is delivered if it&#8217;s disabled.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d think more of your service and brand if I wasn&#8217;t sent HTML messages with the guts showing&#8230;</p>
<p>ps. Campaign Monitor doesn&#8217;t actually do the sniffing successfully for Entourage but I know that that at least they are trying.
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		<title>by: David Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1442</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;And what’s the argument against HTML emails really?&quot;

The lack of standard. Ability to abuse.

&quot;Are these people who want text-only emails also using text-only browsers? Do they live mundane, text-only lives?&quot;

No we don't. I *personally* prefer text only emails, I've set my mail client (now Thunderbird, previously Outlook Express) to only display text version of emails - I don't like getting HTML emails.

&quot;don’t you think that you lose the branding aspect with text only e-mails. I think that’s quite important&quot;

Yes, you do lose it, but to what extent is the question - I personally agree with Paul's comment &quot;The fact that it comes from 'Company X' is branding enough for me&quot;. Important, maybe, but not as important as my preference to read text only.

&quot;Although whatever you send out should be in the standard 'text with html version attached' format that lets people get the crap version in lynx&quot;

It works fine for me as text only.. it's been done that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what’s the argument against HTML emails really?&#8221;</p>
<p>The lack of standard. Ability to abuse.</p>
<p>&#8220;Are these people who want text-only emails also using text-only browsers? Do they live mundane, text-only lives?&#8221;</p>
<p>No we don&#8217;t. I *personally* prefer text only emails, I&#8217;ve set my mail client (now Thunderbird, previously Outlook Express) to only display text version of emails - I don&#8217;t like getting HTML emails.</p>
<p>&#8220;don’t you think that you lose the branding aspect with text only e-mails. I think that’s quite important&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, you do lose it, but to what extent is the question - I personally agree with Paul&#8217;s comment &#8220;The fact that it comes from &#8216;Company X&#8217; is branding enough for me&#8221;. Important, maybe, but not as important as my preference to read text only.</p>
<p>&#8220;Although whatever you send out should be in the standard &#8216;text with html version attached&#8217; format that lets people get the crap version in lynx&#8221;</p>
<p>It works fine for me as text only.. it&#8217;s been done that way.
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		<title>by: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1439</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Would you guys consider posting the code for the email newsletter? Have you tested it across different email clients, Mac &amp;#38; PC? Designing email newsletters is trickier than designing for the web because almost all clients display CSS differently (if at all) and many clients default to images off now.

I'd love to see how you guys coded your email. I guess I could just wait to get it, though. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you guys consider posting the code for the email newsletter? Have you tested it across different email clients, Mac &amp; PC? Designing email newsletters is trickier than designing for the web because almost all clients display CSS differently (if at all) and many clients default to images off now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see how you guys coded your email. I guess I could just wait to get it, though. :)
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		<title>by: hilarie.j</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1419</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I would much rather see a plain text email, i think they are so much easier on the eye and alot easy to understand.&quot;

Totally opposite for me. I feel like I can scan HTML emails much faster than text emails. The proper use of font size, weight, color, etc. all help to make the information easier to digest (not just prettier to look at). 

As with everything though, it's all in the execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would much rather see a plain text email, i think they are so much easier on the eye and alot easy to understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally opposite for me. I feel like I can scan HTML emails much faster than text emails. The proper use of font size, weight, color, etc. all help to make the information easier to digest (not just prettier to look at). </p>
<p>As with everything though, it&#8217;s all in the execution.
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		<title>by: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1402</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll agree that HTML emails can tend to be very cluttered and messy, but if you look at what Carson Systems is doing here with Amigo, I don't think that's an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree that HTML emails can tend to be very cluttered and messy, but if you look at what Carson Systems is doing here with Amigo, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s an issue.
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		<title>by: James Deer</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1393</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would much rather see a plain text email, i think they are so much easier on the eye and alot easy to understand. With the HTML emails, i think there is alot more for the eye too focus on rather than the important message its self. When i sign up to a service and i have to activate all i like too see is a hi and welcome message and a link, no more no less, as half the time my eyes will just look for the link and click it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would much rather see a plain text email, i think they are so much easier on the eye and alot easy to understand. With the HTML emails, i think there is alot more for the eye too focus on rather than the important message its self. When i sign up to a service and i have to activate all i like too see is a hi and welcome message and a link, no more no less, as half the time my eyes will just look for the link and click it.
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		<title>by: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1388</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;don’t you think that you lose the branding aspect with text only e-mails&quot;

I don't really think there is a branding aspect with emails, nor that there needs to be. The fact that it comes from &quot;Company X &quot; is branding enough for me, I don't want or need a corporate logo or a background image.

Personally, I check my email in mutt, and if someone sends me HTML email then I generally have to bounce it to my Gmail account in order to view it properly. Most of the time I just hit the delete button instead, and that person doesn't get my business (or whatever else they want).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;don’t you think that you lose the branding aspect with text only e-mails&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think there is a branding aspect with emails, nor that there needs to be. The fact that it comes from &#8220;Company X &#8221; is branding enough for me, I don&#8217;t want or need a corporate logo or a background image.</p>
<p>Personally, I check my email in mutt, and if someone sends me HTML email then I generally have to bounce it to my Gmail account in order to view it properly. Most of the time I just hit the delete button instead, and that person doesn&#8217;t get my business (or whatever else they want).
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		<title>by: Mr Funk</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1383</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gotta agree on the &quot;i hate html emails&quot; whingers. Although whatever you send out should be in the standard &quot;text with with html version attached&quot; format that lets people get the crap version in lynx :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree on the &#8220;i hate html emails&#8221; whingers. Although whatever you send out should be in the standard &#8220;text with with html version attached&#8221; format that lets people get the crap version in lynx :)
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		<title>by: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.barenakedapp.com/the-design/download-images#comment-1377</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gillian's right about branding. I'm not sure the text-only crowd here has taken account for that.

And what's the argument against HTML emails really? Are these people who want text-only emails also using text-only browsers? Do they live mundane, text-only lives? They could use some Amigo colors in their life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gillian&#8217;s right about branding. I&#8217;m not sure the text-only crowd here has taken account for that.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s the argument against HTML emails really? Are these people who want text-only emails also using text-only browsers? Do they live mundane, text-only lives? They could use some Amigo colors in their life.
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